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Showing posts with label Prime. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Prime. Show all posts
Wednesday, February 29, 2012
Monday, February 6, 2012
8pm Sunday Evening - Prime Time!
If you want to get an idea of what the Banshee Prime will be capable of, then check out this video of Strahan riding his pre production test frame on Vancouver Island. Prime time!
Thanks Strahan!
8PM Sunday Evening: Prime Time from strahan loken on Vimeo.
Thanks Strahan!
Friday, April 22, 2011
Team Geronimo doing some Proto Prime Testing.
The Team Geronimo guys have been doing a photo shoot with Devon Balet whilst they road trip their way back from Sea Otter to their mountain lair in Colorado.
The guys are all enjoying riding the prime and the slightly different feel it has compared to 26ers. I asked these guys to use and abuse the frame beyond its intended purpose so that we can be double sure that there are no structural issues... it would appear that they are doing just that... and loving it!
Thanks to Devon for the great shots, and Geronimo guys for ripping it up!!
Thursday, April 21, 2011
Banshee Bikes on Singletrackworld.com
Chipps from UK bike mag Singletrack dropped by the booth at Sea Otter for a closer look at the Prime proto & the Spitfire.
You can read his comments here - Singletrackworld.com
Hopefully we'll get them a Spitfire to test in the near future.
You can read his comments here - Singletrackworld.com
Hopefully we'll get them a Spitfire to test in the near future.
Tuesday, April 19, 2011
Sea Otter Shakedown
Last week was the 21st annual Sea Otter Clasic show near Monterey, California, and we were there cooking in the sun along side the Team Geronimo guys.
We had a Prime proto shipped over to show it off to everyone who was interested... but didn't quite realise what good testing the bike would get.
First of all, the Team Geronimo guys had ridden Blackrock on the way down with the proto, and had sent some pretty big gaps on it, saying it felt great. Then Lear said he would love to ride it in the Pro Men DH race at Sea Otter... so I figured, why not! Seemed like a good way to test an all mountain prototype to me.
The frame was built up with a prototype fork from Manitou (the Tower 140; with 140mm of travel, tapered steerer, and stiff 20mm hex lock axle system), and a proto Sturdy front tire from Geax which both seemed to work really well and were suited to the more aggressive 29er rider (just the market the Banshee Prime is aimed at!). there were also goodies from Straitline (seriously, the chainguide is amazing, you totally forget it is there it is so quiet!), Hayes and Sun Ringle.
So after I rode it around a bit, I decided that it would be great to get Lear to race it on the DH to see just how capable the bike would be. He did, and he LOVED it. He came back with a huge grin on his face, and had placed well in the Pro category of DH. Here is a pic of him on his race run...
Then... Just to seal the weekend with a bang, we let Mike Montgomery flip it... as you do! Man that guy just makes everything look so easy! Is this the first backflip on a 29er ever?
So as if the Prime hadn't had a busy enough weekend, I then took it out yesterday for a loop with the Geronimo guys with a long steady climb, and then a nice steep descent which most people probably ride on full DH rigs... it was a lot of fun! Last week was indeed Prime time!! haha
We had a Prime proto shipped over to show it off to everyone who was interested... but didn't quite realise what good testing the bike would get.
First of all, the Team Geronimo guys had ridden Blackrock on the way down with the proto, and had sent some pretty big gaps on it, saying it felt great. Then Lear said he would love to ride it in the Pro Men DH race at Sea Otter... so I figured, why not! Seemed like a good way to test an all mountain prototype to me.
The frame was built up with a prototype fork from Manitou (the Tower 140; with 140mm of travel, tapered steerer, and stiff 20mm hex lock axle system), and a proto Sturdy front tire from Geax which both seemed to work really well and were suited to the more aggressive 29er rider (just the market the Banshee Prime is aimed at!). there were also goodies from Straitline (seriously, the chainguide is amazing, you totally forget it is there it is so quiet!), Hayes and Sun Ringle.So after I rode it around a bit, I decided that it would be great to get Lear to race it on the DH to see just how capable the bike would be. He did, and he LOVED it. He came back with a huge grin on his face, and had placed well in the Pro category of DH. Here is a pic of him on his race run...
Then... Just to seal the weekend with a bang, we let Mike Montgomery flip it... as you do! Man that guy just makes everything look so easy! Is this the first backflip on a 29er ever?
So as if the Prime hadn't had a busy enough weekend, I then took it out yesterday for a loop with the Geronimo guys with a long steady climb, and then a nice steep descent which most people probably ride on full DH rigs... it was a lot of fun! Last week was indeed Prime time!! haha
Thursday, March 24, 2011
Prime Proto
Sunday, March 20, 2011
Prime testers wanted: CLOSED
Thanks for all that have applied.
If you've sent in a CV [resume] and i haven't responded yet, its only because i've been at the Taipei show. I will reply to everyone who sent in something and let you know one way or the other if you've been accepted.
We got far more CV's then spots open, and we're really excited with some of the ones i've seen so far.
We need to now get underway and therefore need to close the application process. If you have still been working on something and its been a surprise that i was going to close it I will accept applications for the next 2 days but anything received beyond that will be kindly rejected.
We look forward to working with those selected!
Jay
If you've sent in a CV [resume] and i haven't responded yet, its only because i've been at the Taipei show. I will reply to everyone who sent in something and let you know one way or the other if you've been accepted.
We got far more CV's then spots open, and we're really excited with some of the ones i've seen so far.
We need to now get underway and therefore need to close the application process. If you have still been working on something and its been a surprise that i was going to close it I will accept applications for the next 2 days but anything received beyond that will be kindly rejected.
We look forward to working with those selected!
Jay
Thursday, March 10, 2011
Banshee Testers required for the Prime
So just like we did with the Legend Mk1, we are now looking for testers to help refine the ride characteristics of the new Prime.
Please send a CV [resume] to jay@bansheebikes.com as a *pdf [no word docs pls]
Include
> Years riding
> Current bikes you own
> Bikes you have owned in the past
> Technical Expertise
> Knowledge of Geometry numbers
> Area you ride in, type of trails
> Send a couple pics if you want but not necessary and keep them small sized. [links to the pics are even better]
> Your stats... height, weight
> Your job [bike mechanic, engineer, shop owner] if you think it could be relevant.
You will be evaluated, as well, on the quality of the CV so make sure its organized and well laid out. It will indicate that you will be organized and concise when sending feedback on the bike.
The Prime prototypes will all be tested by both man and machine so the preproduction you get will be strong, feel great, and will be a good ride. We are looking for perfection and thats where you will come in.
We are only offering the frame and shock so you will be responsible to sort out the rest of the parts.
We offer the Prime at Banshee's cost to the testers. I would love to offer them for free but we feel cost for a great bike in exchange for refining it ends up being a fair deal all around.
If your interested get your CV's off to me and i can provide more details on the Prime test program.
Jay
Please send a CV [resume] to jay@bansheebikes.com as a *pdf [no word docs pls]
Include
> Years riding
> Current bikes you own
> Bikes you have owned in the past
> Technical Expertise
> Knowledge of Geometry numbers
> Area you ride in, type of trails
> Send a couple pics if you want but not necessary and keep them small sized. [links to the pics are even better]
> Your stats... height, weight
> Your job [bike mechanic, engineer, shop owner] if you think it could be relevant.
You will be evaluated, as well, on the quality of the CV so make sure its organized and well laid out. It will indicate that you will be organized and concise when sending feedback on the bike.
The Prime prototypes will all be tested by both man and machine so the preproduction you get will be strong, feel great, and will be a good ride. We are looking for perfection and thats where you will come in.
We are only offering the frame and shock so you will be responsible to sort out the rest of the parts.
We offer the Prime at Banshee's cost to the testers. I would love to offer them for free but we feel cost for a great bike in exchange for refining it ends up being a fair deal all around.
If your interested get your CV's off to me and i can provide more details on the Prime test program.
Jay
Banshee Prime
The Large Prime; also known as the first Prime and another name I can not use due to copyright infringement, underwent the first of many changes this week. A set of black links came back from the anodizing factory yesterday. While I was making a link change a box showed up from our friends at Geax.
For the time being the Prime will be rolling with an AKA 29X2.2 in the rear. My brother runs AKA's on his Rampant and he loves them. A good fit for the rear of the Prime.
In the front the Prime is running the Sturdy 29X2.3 (which is also a proto). This tire is pretty beefy and is going to keep things up front under control.
Expect some more changes before this bike shows up at Sea Otter ...
Keep Riding.
Rob Dunnet
For the time being the Prime will be rolling with an AKA 29X2.2 in the rear. My brother runs AKA's on his Rampant and he loves them. A good fit for the rear of the Prime.
In the front the Prime is running the Sturdy 29X2.3 (which is also a proto). This tire is pretty beefy and is going to keep things up front under control.
Expect some more changes before this bike shows up at Sea Otter ...
Keep Riding.
Rob Dunnet
Friday, March 4, 2011
Wednesday, March 2, 2011
Banshee PRIME
Keep your eyes on www.pinkbike.com for the latest PRIME news. The next post is a good one.
Keep Riding.
Rob Dunnet
Keep Riding.
Rob Dunnet
Wednesday, February 23, 2011
Prime Time
We currently have a front page post about the Prime on Pinkbike.com. Head over to Pinkbike.com and check it out.
http://home-team.pinkbike.com/blog/prime2.html
Last week we had a post showing some of the CNC goodies that you will find on the Prime. Check that out too ...
http://home-team.pinkbike.com/blog/prime1.html
Keep Riding.
Rob Dunnet
http://home-team.pinkbike.com/blog/prime2.html
Last week we had a post showing some of the CNC goodies that you will find on the Prime. Check that out too ...
http://home-team.pinkbike.com/blog/prime1.html
Keep Riding.
Rob Dunnet
Friday, February 18, 2011
Wednesday, October 6, 2010
Banshee Prime
The Banshee Prime will be a new addition to the Banshee range probably for 2012, although testing will start as soon as we feel ready to run a full batch of 50 frames to be tested. This frame will go through a similar testing and feedback program as the Legend MkI was used for.
If you want to be a tester of this frame, keep an eye on the blog over the next few months. I'm not going to start taking names until we have some prototypes made and tested to make sure we have no major issues. So please don't send me e-mails yet!
There are a number of full suspension frames with this range of travel (130mm) out there, but I feel that most of them are too steep and often flexy to give you real confidence when riding aggressively or on steep technical terrain.
The Prime is a strong, stiff and planted 29er designed to excel in all elements of true all mountain riding. 29ers don't need as much travel as 26ers for coping with square edge hits due to the larger wheels rolling over obstacles easier, so the 130mm travel of the Prime will generally 'feel' like more travel (150-160mm) if you are used to riding 26ers.
Some details on the frame at this stage (subject to change before production as a result of testing and feedback).
Geometry.... the aggressive seat angle and relatively short chain stays make the Prime a bike that is playful, but with optimised weight distribution for control during technical climbs and the slack and low geometry offers stability and control on high speed descents.
The suspension linkage I've used on the Prime (which I may call the KS link...) uses the best elements of the VF4B link, but almost eliminates the rotation at the shock DU bushings for a more supple suspension action, and can be more finely tuned and offers more space for geometry manipulation for less compromise. The pivots will all run on fully sealed INA bearings on grade 5 6Al4V titanium pivot axles and bolts.
The linkage for the Prime has been optimised to work well with smaller chain rings for the 29er user, and the frame structure has been stiffened slightly to ensure that there in minimal frame flex even with bigger wheels.
The Prime geometry can be easily adjusted by a single chain ring style bolt at the dropout (likely to be titanium). Changing from the steep to slack setting drops the BB by 12mm (0.5") and slackens the head angle out by 1 degree without affecting suspension characteristics. We will also offer the frame with 2 dropout types (135x10mm and 150x12mm) to suit all riders needs.
This model is actually using over sized 29x2.5" tires to give you an idea about the all important tire clearance. As you can see there is bucket loads of clearance around the rear tire (compare to that of the same tire in a Reba 29er 140mm fork)
As is standard for Banshee, we will be using 7005 alloy which will be T4 then T6 heat treated for better overall frame strength. The tubes will all be triple butted custom hydroformed for maximum strength to weight ratio. The seat and chain stays are both internally ribbed for extra strength and stiffness for minimal weight increase.
The frame will only be compatible with direct mount front derailleurs (we will do the testing so you don't have to) . ISCG 05 tabs will allow use of chainguides or Hammerschmidt, and there will be cable guides for the latter system. there will also be cable guides for adjustable seatposts.
As always, the proof will be in the pudding, and so this bike will be used, abused and tested globally, then refined and redesigned where necessary before public release, so that we can ensure that the final product is as good as it can possibly be.
Please let me know your initial feedback to both general design and geometry. My ears are aways open, and I'm here to design your next bike, so I need to know what you want!
Thanks,
Keith
If you want to be a tester of this frame, keep an eye on the blog over the next few months. I'm not going to start taking names until we have some prototypes made and tested to make sure we have no major issues. So please don't send me e-mails yet!
There are a number of full suspension frames with this range of travel (130mm) out there, but I feel that most of them are too steep and often flexy to give you real confidence when riding aggressively or on steep technical terrain.The Prime is a strong, stiff and planted 29er designed to excel in all elements of true all mountain riding. 29ers don't need as much travel as 26ers for coping with square edge hits due to the larger wheels rolling over obstacles easier, so the 130mm travel of the Prime will generally 'feel' like more travel (150-160mm) if you are used to riding 26ers.
Some details on the frame at this stage (subject to change before production as a result of testing and feedback).
Geometry.... the aggressive seat angle and relatively short chain stays make the Prime a bike that is playful, but with optimised weight distribution for control during technical climbs and the slack and low geometry offers stability and control on high speed descents.
The suspension linkage I've used on the Prime (which I may call the KS link...) uses the best elements of the VF4B link, but almost eliminates the rotation at the shock DU bushings for a more supple suspension action, and can be more finely tuned and offers more space for geometry manipulation for less compromise. The pivots will all run on fully sealed INA bearings on grade 5 6Al4V titanium pivot axles and bolts.
The linkage for the Prime has been optimised to work well with smaller chain rings for the 29er user, and the frame structure has been stiffened slightly to ensure that there in minimal frame flex even with bigger wheels.
The Prime geometry can be easily adjusted by a single chain ring style bolt at the dropout (likely to be titanium). Changing from the steep to slack setting drops the BB by 12mm (0.5") and slackens the head angle out by 1 degree without affecting suspension characteristics. We will also offer the frame with 2 dropout types (135x10mm and 150x12mm) to suit all riders needs.
This model is actually using over sized 29x2.5" tires to give you an idea about the all important tire clearance. As you can see there is bucket loads of clearance around the rear tire (compare to that of the same tire in a Reba 29er 140mm fork)
As is standard for Banshee, we will be using 7005 alloy which will be T4 then T6 heat treated for better overall frame strength. The tubes will all be triple butted custom hydroformed for maximum strength to weight ratio. The seat and chain stays are both internally ribbed for extra strength and stiffness for minimal weight increase.The frame will only be compatible with direct mount front derailleurs (we will do the testing so you don't have to) . ISCG 05 tabs will allow use of chainguides or Hammerschmidt, and there will be cable guides for the latter system. there will also be cable guides for adjustable seatposts.
As always, the proof will be in the pudding, and so this bike will be used, abused and tested globally, then refined and redesigned where necessary before public release, so that we can ensure that the final product is as good as it can possibly be.
Please let me know your initial feedback to both general design and geometry. My ears are aways open, and I'm here to design your next bike, so I need to know what you want!
Thanks,
Keith
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